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Children's Services Scrutiny Committee
Tuesday, 26 September 2006

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ITEM CH3

CHILDREN’S SERVICES SCRUTINY COMMITTEE

MINUTES of the Meeting held on 11 July 2006 commencing at 10.00 am and finishing at 1.05 pm

Present:

Voting Members:

Councillor Mrs Anda Fitzgerald-O’Connor - in the chair

Councillor Jean Fooks
Councillor Deborah Glass Woodin
Councillor Sue Haffenden
Councillor Steve Hayward
Councillor Bill Service
Councillor Val Smith
Councillor Keith Stone
Councillor Lawrie Stratford
Councillor Melinda Tilley
Councillor David Turner
Councillor Nicholas P. Turner
Councillor David Wilmshurst (in place of Councillor Carol Viney)
Mr Chris Bevan
Mr Ben Jackson
Mrs Sue Matthew
Ms Bernadine Spencer

Other Members in Attendance:

Councillor Michael Waine (for Agenda Items 5 & 6)

By Invitation:

Ms B. Williams, COTO

Ms C. Thomson, Oxfordshire Governors Association

Sarah Rusby, Partnership Advisor for the Learning & Skills Council and Dr Linda Hulin, CHOICE – Agenda Item 5 – Post-16 SEN Provision

Dr Tony Eaude, Education Consultant – Agenda Item 6 – Faith Schools Scrutiny Review

Officers:

Whole of meeting:

D. Miller (Chief Executive’s Office); S. Adams, M. Mill and J. Morris (Children, Young People & Families).

The Scrutiny Committee considered the matters, reports and recommendations contained or referred to in the agenda for the meeting, and agreed as set out below. Copies of the agenda and reports are attached to the signed Minutes.

    27/06. APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE AND TEMPORARY APPOINTMENTS

    Apologies for absence and temporary appointments were received as follows:

    Apology from

    Temporary Appointments

    Councillor Val Smith

    -

    Councillor Viney

    Councillor Wilmshurst

    28/06. DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST

    Mr Ben Jackson declared a personal interest in Agenda Item 5 on the grounds that he was both a member of CHOICE and a parent of a child with a statement.

    29/06. MINUTES

    The Minutes of the meeting of the Committee held on 23 May 2006 were approved and signed.

    30/06. ORDER OF BUSINESS

    AGREED: to vary the order of business as indicated in these Minutes.

    31/06. POST-16 SEN PROVISION

(Agenda Item 5)

The Committee considered a report (CH5) which outlined proposals put forward by the Working Group (consisting of officers from the Learning Skills Council (LSC) and the County Council with representatives of CHOICE, the connections service, Colleges and Special Schools) for new Post-16 SEN provision in Oxfordshire based on:

    • the development of a curriculum framework for young people with SEN aged 16-22 years;
    • the development of a broader range of post 16 SEN provision, in special schools and colleges, to deliver this curriculum framework;
    • a flexible approach to meeting needs with young people progressing through the steps of the curriculum framework, in either a school or college setting, as appropriate, to meet their needs and developmental stage.

Mr Simon Adams, Senior Education Officer, Ms Sarah Rusby, Partnership Advisor for the LSC for Milton Keynes, Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire, Dr Tony Eaude, Education Consultant and Dr Linda Hulin, CHOICE attended the Committee in order to give a presentation and to respond to questions from members. The Chairman also invited the Cabinet Member for Schools Improvement to the table in order to take part in the discussion.

Mr Simon Adams reported that the group had met on a number of occasions to look at this area and had made some progress, including a draft curriculum framework, to meet the needs of all youngsters aged between 16 and 22. The report before the Committee today outlined 3 options for the Cabinet’s consideration. The first option would be strengthening the existing arrangements, to which there were obvious drawbacks, not least the fact that there was no additional funding available for colleges from the Learning & Skills Council or from any other source, so if they were having difficulties meeting needs now financially these would continue.

Option 2, which was for colleges to fund provision in special schools (there were a couple of pilots in Oxfordshire where this was already happening) did not really resolve the big issue of parents wanting to have real choice. The third option, to extend the age range of some of the special schools would be the preferred option for many parents but would be very costly for the County Council.

Ms Rusby welcomed the opportunity to be part of this debate. She hoped that collectively these proposals ought to be able to predict and manage and meet the needs of individual young people in the future. She believed that the opportunities that the Children & Young People’s Trust provided, which was the opportunity to move away from budget constraints, and to think laterally about how to support young people’s learning needs, their health and social needs and to work across different agencies to enable young people to progress was the way forward. What the Learning & Skills Council were urging through this type of debate was that we don’t try and replace the system there hasn’t been working, but that we use this opportunity to actually develop provision that was different and actually responded to the government’s agenda around Every Child Matters and truly do this for young people with learning difficulties and disability and include within that a choice of the range of provisions that they were able to access, as was the case for other young people.

She stressed the need to phase these developments, to make sure that things were right and to use the curriculum framework as the mechanism for doing that, looking at what a young person needs and whether they were using the resources that had collectively been put in place.

Dr Halin spoke in support of the written statement by CHOICE tabled at the meeting (a copy of which is attached to the signed minutes), which outlined the findings of a questionnaire produced jointly by CHOICE and the County Council to assess parental satisfaction with the current post-16 SEN provision and to give parents the opportunity to state what their preferred option would be.

She welcomed the fact that CHOICE had been able to deliver their opinions to the local Education Authority and to the LSC and stressed that CHOICE recognised their flexibility in listening to them. She welcomed the stepped qualification allowed by the curriculum framework, which would look at not merely the cognitive ability of a child but also their social development divided into 8 steps, i.e. this group of children stay on for one year, the next group of children stay on for 2 years then others for 3 depending on where they were in that level of development and that level of development is then linked into what the colleges would offer should options 2 or 3 be adopted. This was much more likely to appeal to parents.

Following the presentations the Committee were invited to question Mr Adams, Mr Mill, Ms Rusby and Dr Hulin on Post-16 SEN Provision in Oxfordshire.

Following gathering evidence from all the witnesses and a lengthy debate (a record of which is attached to the signed minutes) the Committee AGREED to:

(1) carry out further work, including the assessment of resource implications and consultation with parents around Option 3 set out in paragraphs 20 – 24 in the report;

(2) continue negotiations with the Learning & Skills Council and the Department for Education & Skills for further funding options;

(3) support the proposals a, b, d and e set out in the written submission from CHOICE as follows:

(a) post 16 school based provision should be provided as soon as possible with a briefing timetable for positive change that is open to public scrutiny;

(b) all parents, including those with SEN children in mainstream schools, must be kept up-to-date on all proceedings;

(c) The last LLDD meeting identified a clear method to calculate the funds required to implement post 16 education in schools. These proposals should be mentioned in the ‘Post 16 Provision for Students with Special Education Needs’ report to Cabinet;

(d) The Curriculum framework should be adopted as soon as possible and then used as a predictive tool to calculate the future need and placement of children enabling accurate cost estimates to be developed;

(e) Oxfordshire needs to be brought into line with best practice. With the adoption of the same educational practice as the rest of the country SEN children will enter FE colleagues at 19 when they are more emotionally able to cope with this major change. Therefore college numbers should not go down; instead pupils will enter college later. If Oxfordshire colleges were to manage this transition by retaining the current cohort of 19 year olds, there would be no problem with dwindling student numbers as a transitory lower intake will be balanced by the retention of older students.

    32/06. SCRUTINY REVIEW OF GIFTED CHILDREN

    (Agenda Item 7)

    On 27 September, this Committee agreed as part of their work programme to undertake a scrutiny review of ‘gifted children’ and appointed Councillors Deborah Glass-Woodin, Hilary Hibbert-Biles, Val Smith and Melinda Tilley to the Lead Member Review Group.

    Councillor Melinda Tilley, member of the Lead Member Review Group reported on the current progress of the Review. She reported that the Review Group had visited Westminster Institute, Oxford Brookes University and the National Association for Gifted and Talented Youth based at Warwick University to speak to national experts in defining, identifying, providing for and assessing "gifted" children. The Review was concerned with the gifted child, ie in academic subjects as distinct from the "more able" child and the "talented" child (sports and performing arts). Its concern was that the gifted child had particular special needs and was therefore within the broad spectrum of Special Educational Needs. However, statutory responsibility, assessment and funding was attached to other "special needs" than those of the gifted.

    The Review Group had also visited a range of local schools; for instance, Valley Road, Henley; John Blandy, Southmoor; Pegasus, Oxford and intended to visit others locally and within other local authority areas (as well as visiting another LEA) with a view to identifying best practice and to make comparisons between schools and areas. This would help to inform recommendations that the Review Group was minded to make.

    The Review Group intended to interview a range of "expert witnesses", including parents and governors after the review visits to complement evidence gathered so far from research of papers, websites and in person.

    Recently, the Chairman of the Review Group and Councillor Tilley had visited West Sussex LEA to make some comparisons between policy and practice there and here, including a visit to Boundstone College, a specialist performance arts school that had previously been in special measures. The Review Group would shortly begin the interviews with parents of gifted children. The Review was on track for completion in August and it was intended that a draft report would be put to the 26 September meeting of the Committee."

    The Committee noted the progress of the Review thus far.

    33/06. "HEALTHY SCHOOLS" SCRUTINY REVIEW

    (Agenda Item 8)

    On 27 September, this Committee agreed as part of their work programme to undertake a scrutiny review of ‘gifted children’ and appointed Councillors Mrs Anda Fitzgerald O’Connor, Keith Stone and Jean Fooks to the Lead Member Review Group.

    The Lead Member Review Group tabled a draft scoping document at the meeting for Member’s comment. Councillor Jean Fooks, Member of the Lead Member Review Group reported on the current progress of the Review. She reported that the Group had visited Didcot to listen to a presentation on their Healthy Schools, and were currently in the process of arranging further trips and witnesses to gather evidence for the review.

    The Committee AGREED to note the progress on the Review this for and to approve the scoping template for submission to the next meeting of the Scrutiny Co-ordinating Group.

    34/06. FAITH SCHOOLS SCRUTINY REVIEW: EVALUATION

(Agenda Item 6)

The Executive had made decisions in respect of the recommendations from this Scrutiny Review on 24 July 2004 and 19 July 2005, the main objectives of the review were to:-

    • Gather a wide range of information/responses from many sources and the implications of these for existing schools and the community as a whole.
    • Consider the local and national context in relation to the education of Muslim pupils and provision of faith-based secondary education.
    • Provide a briefing paper to guide the County Council’s medium-to long-term response to these and related issues and;
    • Make recommendations.

It had now been over a year since the (then) Executive agreed the recommendations of this Scrutiny Review. Accordingly, the Committee was asked to question the Cabinet Member for Schools Improvement and the Head of School Development in relation to the progress of implementing the Review recommendations that the (then) Executive had endorsed. Dr Tony Eaude, Education Consultant had also been invited to take part in the debate. A selection of the Committee’s questions together with the responses are listed below:

Q. What has been done in response to the decision on 19 July 2005 for all schools to be circulated highlighting, in checklist format, the framework guidelines, based on the findings of the Scrutiny Review? Were the principles agreed on 20 July 2004, as amended, circulated to all schools and/or other groups in Learning & Culture or other directorates?

A. We have sent the checklist framework guidelines out to all schools in Oxfordshire and we have also put a link to the guide to Culture and Faith on the intranet so that schools can have direct access to it.

Q. What else has been done further to the decisions of 20 July 2004 and 19 July 2005?

A. No further action other than what has been reported above. For further action to be carried out it would require an increase in capacity in my teams and other teams and unfortunately no additional resources was made available for that.

Q. How were schools made aware of ‘The Guide to Culture and Faiths in Oxfordshire’? How many requests for this have been received?

A. The schools have not been made aware of it other than it appearing on the intranet, but it is accessible on the intranet. We have not sent paper copies round. I can not tell you how may requests we have received as we do not have anyway of recording how many requests we have received for paper copies – maybe we need to look into whether that is something that we need to set up. We thought putting it on the intranet would achieve the greatest access.

Q. When were any relevant letters circulated?

A. I believe that the link to the Guide to Culture and Faiths was set up on the 5 October 2005 and that the checklist and framework was sent out just prior to that.

Q. What specific training for staff and/or governors has been conducted in relation to the principles/framework guidelines on faith-related issues?

A. Two specific training courses have been made available, although unfortunately take up for either course was not particularily high. One was set up through governors services which was entitled "Reaching out to your Muslim Community". The other was a course by management and training consultants made available to public sector workers on an introduction to Islam and the Muslim culture which was promoted through Directorates rather than through schools. Geoff Jones has also attended a course at the Mosque on Stanley Road and is developing experience within the Team.

Q. Have new training methods or approaches been introduced, or are there plans to improve the ‘faith- sensitive’ element in other training?

A. The Ethnic Minority Achievement Team is now a central part of my service, which means that through all our work on Education Effectiveness we are considering a much broader range of issues about the rights of all young people. As mentioned above, Geoff Jones is also trying to build up an element of expertise in my Team.

Q. What has been done by OCC in relation to the general thrust of the Review and the broad issues that it covered during the past 12 months?

In particular, given that the Review was prompted by the Muslim community’s request for support for a secondary school and a large meeting with them was convened in October 2003, what steps have been taken to liaise with, and build the confidence of, that community?

A. The Leader of the Council and the Cabinet Members for Schools Improvement and Children, Young People and Families have met several times with the Muslim Community and the Equis School. We are now hoping to arrange visits to Muslim Faith Schools in Wandsworth and Birmingham to look at how primary and secondary schools run. We have explored trying the find premises for the Muslim Community. Cllr Keith Mitchell had also explored with Secondary Headteachers in Oxford City, the possibility for there to be single sex classes – this is still being explored. We would need a minimum number to set up an explicit Muslin Faith School and the Muslim Community do not believe they can meet the minimum requirement.

Following debate, the Committee AGREED to nominate Councillor David Turner and Mrs Sue Matthew to work in consultation with Ms Judith Morris and her Team to view documentation in relation to Faith Schools, including Ofsted Reports and information from the Equality & Diversity Award and report back to the Committee to advise whether they feel any further action is necessary with regard to this subject.

    35/06. TRACKING SCRUTINY ITEMS

(Agenda Item 9)

Report back on advice by this Committee to the Cabinet or Council.

    • Home to School & College Transport

The Committee AGREED to set up a tank group comprising Councillor David Turner, Lawrie Stratford and Mr Bevan to scrutinise the Home to College Transport report prior to its consideration by Cabinet.

    • Charging in Schools

The Committee thanked Mr Chard for his excellent report and AGREED to forward it to the Cabinet for their consideration.

    36/06. FORWARD PLAN

(Agenda Item 10)

Members were asked to suggest items from the current Forward Plan on which they might wish to have an opportunity to offer advice to the Cabinet before any decision was taken.

No items were identified.

in the Chair

Date of signing 2006

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